Odd reaction

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...It was an odd time for taking things wrong.

A comment and/or a post I wrote at the end of March was taken very badly by the Substack author who had shared her post with me in a comment somewhere.

I liked something in her post, and wrote the post below, which included biofilm because that was what her post focused on. I also shared a caution about Ivermectin. Now her post seems totally different, shorter than I remembered without mention of remedies. Not a big deal in the larger scheme, just odd - did I remember wrong or did it get a huge edit?

Everything I wrote was taken wrong and quite badly. She Direct Messaged me and was verbally abusive. I told her I felt that her statements had been verbally abusive and that the exchange had felt emotionally painful to me. She then accused me of just wanting money from her. I replied that I don’t charge money for anything and had only been offering help. She deleted the private messages after that or they disappeared after she blocked me from posting on her Substack, which I just learned tonight. I don’t know, and it is just sad and odd. I had returned after the private messages went missing. My notifications show that I have one, but I don’t…anymore.

I had missed a reply on her Substack post to another one she had written and in it she had made a number of assumptions about what I had said that were wrong. Her long reply, click the date: Christine, Mar 31, or the blog post version: (Substack) The text is also copied here later.

The funny thing is, she wanted a simple answer from me about my pomegranate recommendation and the biofilm of cancer cells, and she made it clear that I SHOULD be able to give that answer to her simply, in one sentence, so why wasn’t I? Why was my work so hard for a user to use? Well I do try to make things understandable but she didn’t even seem interested in what I was saying. She seemed to already have an answer in mind about cancer and biofilm and there being specific biofilm disrupters to discover for each and every cancer type…. and she wanted me to confirm her theory and to maybe find those specific types. I didn’t agree with her theory, it was incomplete, or too generalized. And it assumed that research exists on every topic under the sun - no, research tends to only happen when there is a profit potential of some sort.

»» But I did do some digging and surprisingly it led to a huge breakthrough in my understanding why pomegranate peel is helping to reset microbiome species towards healthy types and does seem to disrupt biofilm of negative cavity causing species. The answer is in a post due to be published around 7:45 this morning. My suggesting seaweed for fucose, led me to mannose, which led to obesity related microbiome studies and that led me straight back to pomegranate peel.

Rule #39 - There are no coincidences. Odd times, lead to odd events maybe.

Good thing pomegranate is so delicious and supportive of Bifidobacterium and Bacteroidetes.

*Additional reference regarding Ivermectin from the replies - side effects are quite rare. The safety record of Ivermectin is quite good and it is even used during lactation in areas with the river blindness parasite. (González, et al., 2008) Also from replies - people in the autism community have done well with Ivermectin during CoV era and they frequently do have gut membrane issues. Thanks readers!

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*** The rest of this post is a bunch of comments. Probably skippable. No one really deserves that. ;-)

Photo op - It was Easter Sunday.

Photo by Gabe Pierce on Unsplash

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My reply that I found I couldn’t post there now: You really misunderstood me. I am all for Ivermectin being freely available for use by whoever needs it. Generally it is quite safe. My caution was only that for people with leaky blood brain barriers, which spike might cause, Ivermectin might not be safe. It might get into the brain and cause damage.

Artemisinin is quite effective and if you have trouble getting it, then Sweet Wormwood tea would be quite effective too. You need adequate zinc to make zinc ionophores work.

The other thing you misunderstood my about is that my developing CoV recommendations was initially based on my own bad case of Cov March 2020. I was heading into asthma level of respiratory symptoms when I tried eating citrus peel and it worked great.

I wish you well and I hope you become more open to information. It isn't easy trying to figure this out while you have brain fog or exhaustion or other mental symptoms -- I literally had to figure out how to get better AND how to do so while avoiding high places and sharp knives because strong suicidal urges were part of my histamine excess symptoms. It can cause a wide range of weird symptoms and has tended to occur in LongCovid sufferers. Citrus peel was great for asthma but made my histamine symptoms worse. I avoid it now.

I am a patient and a health professional. Pain hurts, health is better. My empathy and my sympathy wants other people to feel better, and CoV is bad news. Nicotine plus a variety of other specific things can help - yes, a well rounded protocol can help and I am a health professional who tried a lot of things myself, and have gotten better. My recommendations are based on medical research and on trying things and on listening to what other people have found helpful.

I hope you find some peace.

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This had been my initial reply to her post when I first read it after she had linked it in a reply:

Jennifer Depew, R.D. deNutrients - News to Use, Mar 31·edited Mar 31

I would like to work with you on your project Christine. There is too much for you to learn for efficiency.

Artemisinin, naringenin and curcumin are all helping as metal chelators too - point 4 and 5.

Artemisinin has been one of my go-to's ever since I caught early outbreak illness in March 2020. I heavily used citrus peel fresh when I was sick. It is a source of naringenin and many other citrus phytonutrients that have anti-microbial, metal chelating, and anti-inflammatory effects. BUT citrus peel is a problem ingredient for anyone with overactive Mast cells or histamine excess so they would need to use others like the oregano oil. [*other metal chelators/zinc ionophores/iron chelator, artemisinin is one and so is Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and citrus and pomegranate pee.]

Butyrate is critical as the gut microbiome is destroyed by spike and our colon cells need butyrate but eating enough zinc and resistant starches would be better along with pomegranate peel to help promote the beneficial species that make butyrate and which spike kills. See my site jenniferdepew.com for two long webpages about Butyrate and Resistant Starch. I noted that connection in 2020 when a Bubble Tea meme was being circulated as a joke. I didn't think it was a joke, I thought it was likely a legitimate correlation suggesting a causal link. Dr. Sabine Hazan proved the causal link by showing that CoV was killing bifidobacteria preferentially. Pomegranate peel helps them preferentially. And they need about 30% of the zinc that we eat each day (if we are eating enough of it) otherwise they starve and bad species flourish.

This is a huge topic and your nice list is very useful. My document has my list of therapeutic goals for CoV spike issues and it is longer than your list and not exactly the same in level of summary. A collaboration could make both of our projects better.

My Protocol Collation - it isn't a beautiful finished ebook, but is a useful draft. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RmdgbxBUuJa9nFUmCfSoZdnEB8EPc181WOvhGakAKTU/edit?usp=sharing

*and please don't take this negatively. Yes, collating protocols is needed and that is why I tried to do it but it is too large a project really for one person and I wasn't getting much support. I moved on to other writing projects but have been working on a course idea with some of the book draft.

And again please don't be mad at me. I have been working on the same type of project goal ever since I got sick in 2020. And I shared artemisinin and citrus and pomegranate peel and zinc, etc, etc, BUT the censorship and heckling is so bad that my work is treated as a joke or ignored by medical proponents probably because that is what they know.

[*I added this in an edit before things got odd] Addition - This handout/ebook by Lauren Geertson looks like a good attempt at providing guidance in an encyclopedia style for a wide range of symptoms or conditions. I haven't checked more of her linked work but the overview info seems correct and helpful. She allows sharing as it is also a pitch document for her other services but it contains useful summaries. My copy of the pdf: https://ln5.sync.com/dl/feba9cd50/zy68mhzg-fs3vpvtu-gcwixa8p-7wjgx36j Her website where it could be downloaded for free: EmpoweredSustenance.com

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The author seemed to miss my statement that I had been working on protocols for CoV ever since I got sick in 2020 and wrote a lengthy reply and made that into a blog post about how ‘theoretical’ protocols aren’t as helpful as treatments focused on treatment. The post is about Ivermectin and the risks of buying dodgy items with unknown dosing or national bans - yes, that is bad. Citrus peel and artemisinin can be quite effective and less dodgy than buying a pet medication. Choice is nice and proper package labeling is nice too, but we don’t always get nice things.

Her long reply, click the date: Christine, Mar 31, or the blog post version: (Substack)

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Christine Mar 31 Author

Ah Jennifer, I suspect you have come in late in my series on this topic and don't know the context. This is not a "project" to me. This is life or death. Since I got what was called covid in 2022, I have been behind the action. I have become sick before I have any idea what the therapy for that sickness is. I started with "covid" whatever that is - we still don't know. I came out of hospital with diabetes, went on to long covid, then shingles, then melanoma, now breast cancer, and at every step I have had to make decisions before I am ready on how to handle this stranger's body I am now inhabiting - from a baseline of isolation and lower than normal intellectual functioning.

It is all very well to be critical of the protocols out there because NONE of them works as it is claimed to work. But for those of us caught with no holistic medical help and having to self-medicate, we have to do something. Even if it is risky and likely to fail, we have no choice. In Australia, no-one has come out of the closet to offer help to people like me. If they did, they cannot bulk bill, I cannot pay their prices, so there is NO, that is ZERO support in the decision making process.

The protocols I have collected on my stack are those I have found AND applied to myself. They are not theoretical, they are ALL I HAVE available to save my own life. And I am very very aware of their limitations. We all are. Just lurk on the fenben and iver FB groups to see how much confusion there is out there.

The protocols are cobbled together with ingredients that are sometimes incompatible and that may neutralise one another.

They have missing ingredients that are necessary for the whole soup to work.

Many of the protocols contain prescription drugs that we cannot access in Australia so we have to import from overseas, from countries with lax regulations. We actually have no idea, even if it is labelled ivermectin or fenbendazole or hydroxychloroquine, whether that is what it really is, or even how contaminated it is.

Then a product in the protocol we are illegally using is repeatedly intercepted by customs so we cannot continue with the protocol we have, rightly or wrongly, chosen. So we are forced to move on to another protocol that we can access and get reliable stocks of. That's what moved me from a fenben and iver based protocol to an artemisinin based protocol - no better reason than that I could actually source all the ingredients, and apparently fairly reliably.

Can you see how abandoned this marketplace is and how we are decision making based on a whim and/or market availability? How can we, in this century, be forced through this charade, at the gamble that if we get it wrong, we are dead? Those are pretty high stakes.

It is in that context that I have decided to learn about the component functions of a protocol, and the ingredients in the protocols that fulfill those functions. We need to know how they work together synergistically, because there is little doubt that any product that works or helps a product work, WILL be taken off the market at some stage in the near future. We need to know how and why they work so that we can patch together a variation in the protocol when (not if) we lose a core product.

That's the reality.

When it comes to Ivermectin protocols specifically not working, let's just look at what we need to understand.

Is the product labelled ivermectin actually ivermectin? This is a very real issue for anything you are buying on the black market. And if you are getting the horse paste, are the fillers toxic for humans?

Is the strength that is labelled on the packet, the actual strength, and even if it is, are you taking the correct dose? There is lots of conflicting information on dose.

Are you taking the correct dose for the correct duration? The protocols are most definitely over optimistic in how fast they expect these products to work.

Are you using the product for an ailment it is actually able to treat? There are many different parasites and many different cancers. Which ones is ivermectin effective with?

Is ivermectin water soluble or fat soluble? There is contradictory information on the web about this point, so are you taking it in the right conditions where the body can use it or are you pooping it straight out? Despite my best efforts, I still don't know if ivermectin is fat or water soluble.

Is ivermectin a biofilm disruptor, or is there a biofilm disruptor in your protocol that is appropriate to the type of biofilm you are trying to disrupt (cancer, parasites, bacteria all build different biofilm, I think) so that the poison can work?

Is your liver functioning well enough to transport the waste products out of your body, presuming the protocol is working, or does the protocol include support for your liver and other aspects of detox that is effective?

You can see from this list, which I am sure is only a partial list, that Ivermectin could be the best drug in the world for a particular ailment, but it could still fail if all of the above conditions are not met.

In the meantime, what is theoretical to you is life and death to me.

Currently I am using an artemisinin protocol (for no better reason than that my ivermectin ran out) that, in hindsight, does seem to be well designed. But I am still working on it and have a long way to go, particularly at the detox level. And I have no idea how long to use if for.

Meanwhile, the fenbendazole I am using on top of the artemisinin protocol (are they even compatible, who the hell knows?) does punch about an hour in every day, about an hour after I take it, where I am physically functional enough to stand for long enough to cook or wash dishes and sometimes even both. You take your victories where you find them.

Meanwhile, the nicotine patches have brought my brain back out of hiding so I am actually able to do this study and write these articles. In fact, my brain is functioning better than it has for many years, thank you Bryan Ardis. You take your victories where you find them.

All that having been said, I will make contact with you in the chat and see if there is a way we can collaborate, you with your theoretical approach and me with my "if I get this wrong I die" approach.

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Christine Mar 31 Author

I have turned this into an article.

(8) Gambling with our lives because we have no choice

My reply to her very long reply was not ideal - I was exhausted and didn’t read it that night but did reply with this (*that may have been the mistake - just wait to read the too long reply in the morning next time):

Jennifer Depew, R.D. deNutrients - News to Use, Mar 31

I am going to have to read that backwards too. I got sick in March 2020 and then passive exposure relapse from my parents jabs. My protocol was built on what worked for me and then I double checked it with the others circulating in 2020/2021. I haven't continued to follow the expanded market now but I assure you. I wrote my protocol document because I had the silly idea that people wanted to get healthy. But they didn't want to read much or only want a poll to swallow.

What is needed are done major modern lifestyle changes. Modern life is inflammatory and spike just makes that worse.

*Just finished reading a huge article.

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I added another reply to the long one - Mar 31

Let me try again. Great job! That is a lot of work to gather on your own because you are ill. It is wonderful to be proactive in this dangerous era when hospitals tend to make you worse of kill you.

.And ...been there done that and I wrote you a long ebook because I think it is criminal medical homicide happening and I don't support that as a health practitioner so I work long hours and give away my work. Hoping that proactive people will listen and help themselves. I am not your enemy.

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She replied to my first reply where I said I hadn’t read her lengthy statement. It was 10 or 11 pm at that point:

Mar 31 Author

Some of us were already doing everything right (or at least, to a decent degree) and still got sick. Lifestyle changes are not going to fix what is wrong with me. Would you recommend lifestyle changes to someone who has been poisoned with arsenic? So why recommend lifestyle changes to someone who has been poisoned by a bio-weapon designed to kill them? We have to deal with the bioweapon FIRST.

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I replied:

deNutrients - News to Use

Mar 31

...because you used to be healthy and your body could handle the modern life issues but now your body is damaged and it can no longer handle the total load so reducing any and all extra stressors on the body is going to help with the recovery process and relapse prevention.

Happy Easter by the way.

This is autoimmune disease plus other issues and autoimmune disease is for life - you are never going to be able to rewind the calamity of the CoV bioweapon all the way back. Sadly. Grieving is normal and anger is part of that. BUT you take artemisinin - that is treating spike issues and inflammation, so you are treating it in part. Nattokinase or serrapeptase should be in an anti-spike self-care protocol as biofilm disruptors to use your therapy goal lingo. One of my today posts is in response to your post and includes those. I did add the link here.

My protocol includes lots of spike specific treatments - but the lifestyle stuff counts. It just does. And by that I mean EMF from laptops, cellphones, bad wiring, your TV, etc; unstructured water and processed foods; glyphosate and messed up magnesium and vitamin D metabolism; fluoride/bromide and lack of iodine; ... I have things to do besides retype my tips. You could just look at my links. I was just offering help.

The simpler question to ask yourself is "Would I like free help from a health professional who has been ill and recovered from the same thing that I have?"

Then feel free to chat if you want.

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Still late at night, and on Easter Sunday, btw:

Mar 31Author

Jennifer, I am sure you are very knowledgeable, but your writing is not "accessible". That is, you are either not addressing the issue of the day, or you are making it all too complicated. You can be as insulting as you like about people wanting quick fixes, but the reality is that people who are dying NEED at least comprehensible, simple to apply, quick fixes.

I am illustrating how one apparently terminally ill person, ME, is dealing with the information that is available to me and that I have both the brain power and the money to apply. Your information from that link you gave is not "accessible". You have to tell a sick person exactly what to do and exactly how to do it or we will not be able to grasp it through the brain fog. It was not your information that got me out of the brain fog. In fact, I had no idea your file existed. It was a video from Bryan Ardis that got me out of the brain fog so I could take the next steps and a video from Lee Merritt that confirmed we are dealing with bio-weapons that are parasitic in nature.

Any steps in the journey I take from here MUST "accommodate" and respect EVERYTHING I have done in the past, or it is useless to me. I cannot go back and start again, conforming myself to what someone else imagines I should be or do. I have a draw full of pills that I will use before I buy the next load, and hopefully I will refine my personal protocol as I go. But I cannot ditch it all and start again - I don't have the money.

So please allow me to help you be realistic about what people like me can and cannot do. You can at least learn that from me.

I am not challenging your knowledge base and I am not trying to establish my own authority over you. You win. You are the best. I am stupid. I am doing lots of stuff wrong. But them's the breaks. You are not offering help. You are publicly dumping on me and that's not nice.

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My reply, still late at night, on Easter:

Mar 31

Whatever I said has been taken way out of the realm that I intended it. I understand that people want easier material and that is why I made little meme lists of my Basic and Extended stack ideas. I give a lot of ideas so people can pick and choose what will work for them and will fit in their budget. I focus fairly extensively on what you can buy at a grocery store - FDA can't ban those things. Collaboration is about sharing and teamwork. It is not about one person being superior or dumping on another. And my apologies for misunderstanding that your protocol is for you. My protocol collation was for general use like a Consumer Reports summary of highlights and variations and maybe gaps in various protocols and I moved onto other projects but recently have been reworking some of that text into a new format.

If you could please take a step back from whatever you have been imagining about me and consider that I have worked through similar CoV issues and would like to reach more people with accessible info about what can help - and that means I need help. I tend to overwhelm with info - true - and I try to streamline it but you didn't seem to look at the shorter graphics as stand alone info that could have been copied or printed from the longer work.

Spike issues are very complex and collating all the info about what might help as a reference for anyone's use is a big job - I know because I tried, but 'failed' to produce something people liked and I moved on because shouting at the wind in Twitter shadow ban land is not my style. If you are interested in talking about CoV care topics, I have info on the subject. Histamine excess is an important topic that is not directly about 'treating spike' but it needs to be addressed if present. It can greatly affect mood and anxiety to a paranoia level or reckless mania - extremes of whatever mood is present can occur.

I am glad you are feeling better and I recognize that getting well for someone with brain fog or other mental symptoms is hard because I had to do it - from a place of suicidal urges too. Histamine excess can cause suicide/homicide at extremes and seems related to akathisia medication injury. It seems to happen to some LongCovid people too.

I strongly believe in Equal Opportunity in the old school sense of equality. I am interested in collaborating with others on online course creation in the short user friendly format that is seen these days. I have something in the works that would include health care recovery or prevention tips.

I would ask that you take some deep breaths, or a walk, - a little distance and consider whether isolating yourself from other input is the best approach to learning more about selfcare for bioweapon recovery.

I used nicotine for recovery before Bryan Ardis was talking about it. Tau Braun was talking about it first. It did help and I did need it to recover in addition to all the other things I was doing from CoV early outbreak. Jab version is worse and does spread passively from jabbed people to unjabbed people. That is being ignored or dismissed but it is real and will cause relapses. I had to isolate from busy locations before I stopped relapsing as often. Jabbed people are a risk to others peaking at about 2 weeks post jab and lasting at least 2 months to 4 months and maybe indefinitely.

This is really bad. Your recovery is important. Others need help too. A collated protocol for general use is a good project goal. Kudos for working on it.

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Now past midnight:

Apr 1Author

OK, you want to collaborate, but you must understand that:

I am testing one protocol as best I can, and if I decide to move on from that protocol to another, I will test that protocol. That's all!

I am NOT in any form or fashion trying to put together a collated protocol.

It is not my project goal. It may be yours but it is NOT mine. How much more clearly can I say it?

The only thing I am working on is saving my own life - and I am happy to share that process with others who value what I am saying. If you don't value what I am writing please just respect my space, and my need for healing and leave me alone.

You ridiculed my list of 6 functions of a cancer healing protocol. Why? The questions that arise from it remain unanswered - unless you have the answers that you have not yet shared.

My next research is to find out:

What type of biofilm protects melanoma?

What type of biofilm protects carcinoma (breast)?

What biofilm disruptors break down each of the above two types of biofilm (if it is two types)?

What anti-parasitics poison melanoma?

What anti-parasitics poison carcinoma?

Are there specific chemicals and heavy metals playing into growth and metastases and if so, what are they and how are they specifically removed from the body?

What in addition to milk thistle and TUDCA do I need to keep my liver functioning so I can keep self-medicating?

I am leaving EMFs for now because I think they exacerbate parasite proliferation but do not cause the damage. I am gambling on that because I do not have the funds to protect myself from 5G. That's my decision, it is a gamble, and my decision is made knowing it is a gamble.

So what specific knowledge do you have on types of biofilm that protect cancers, and their vulnerabilities? And any of the rest of the questions I am asking? Links please to scientific articles.

And can you find out if Ivermectin is actually water soluble or fat soluble. The EXPERTS disagree and I have wasted enough of my potentially really short life trying to find a definitive answer.

And please become more aware of your pot shots, and edit them out before you click Post. You will find several in your comment above. Edit them out. What I am doing is bloody amazing and I deserve support, not pot shots.

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My reply: still late night, or next morning maybe. Apr 1

Clearly I misunderstood what you meant by your mention of multiple protocols and you have misunderstood me. In no way have I ridiculed your list of six factors. Listing things is good and helpful and organized. It is a good list and more big picture than some of the things in my list. There is room for diversity in the world.

I also seem to have not seen the breast cancer part. I thought you had a CoV theme. Breast turbocancer related to CoV is likely different issues than previous research on breast cancer. Turbocancer has to do with immune system collapse for want of a better word. Improving that is needed. Blocking spike is a major goal and supporting mitochondria and methylation cycles is needed.

Any causes of inflammation don't help so if histamine excess is present that needs to be improved. Considering which questions to ask can save time.

If your body is overly acidic then all of your biofilm will be disrupted and leaving cells at risk.

Personal health care guidance is not in the scope of blogging but I will look at your questions in the morning on my computer. Regarding pot shots, I can't edit your imagination. I would not have offered help if I disliked your work, it is just there are more choices. I blogged about two - nattokinase and serrapeptase.

I take one or the every night and have for a couple years now. Hoping to prevent the weird clots.

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Christine’s reply: Apr 1 Author

Something very strange is happening, Jennifer and I just don't understand what it is. It does not matter what I say, you read something else and I am left bemused by your responses. I have found this exchange both very time consuming and very upsetting, which is really not what I need currently. This is a day in my life I will not get back.

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{Finally something we can agree on…}

I did get a little direct here, potentially could be seen as rude:

Apr 1

Yes, you seemed to be in histamine excess based on my own experience with that symptom set. I did not read all of your very long replies because I am a busy person. If you are not ready for any constructive critique or additional remedy info then I certainly don't have time to spend reading emotional reactive posting.

My mom has CoV jab turbocancer and Alzheimer's and she is actually stabilizing and improving instead of worsening. She is on Hospice and the Hospice nurse has been very impressed with my dietary care of her. People on Hospice generally do not get better, not people with an abdomen full of cancer lumps. She got bad fairly fast last year at this time but has been improving for several months. Diet and lifestyle changes were needed.

When the student is ready the teacher will appear. Apparently that time is not today or was not yesterday.

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The Direct Messages got even more negative in tone about my writing ability and attempts to answer her very specific medical research questions. Medical research doesn’t exist for stuff that doesn’t have a profit potential, usually. And answers about why something might be a helpful treatment aren’t always easy to explain in one sentence - she expected me to do that for her and to be able to do that - as if all scientists are readily able to explain complex topics in one sentence.

I have had a little PTSD triggering from the troll like constant replies. I copied my work that I had written in the Direct Messages and it became part of my recent biofilm post. I didn’t copy her insults and that is just as well.

I could delete my replies from her Substack but on rereading it, I did say I tried the strategies myself. I never implied that I was only theoretically interested in CoV health care.

It is hard to understand how someone can seem to ask for help but then not want any unless it is within a narrow range. But it happens. In New Age-y circles we are reminded to set an intention, a goal or projected future, but to not tie it too closely to exactly how that might occur. The universe provides, but it might seem like a long way around to get to the goal, with some twists and turns that might be unpleasant to work through.

Sometimes we have to build our solutions out of our failed attempts - or usually we have to do that.

***** That level of relentless replying and misunderstanding/taking things personally - it really does remind me of myself when I was in histamine excess. Twitter got bad at times but at least the replies are short/were short.

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